striferaven
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Post by striferaven on Mar 14, 2009 19:05:48 GMT -7
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart: Jim Cramer vs. Jon Stewart (21:12) This was so amazing to watch. The way Jon Stewart spoke in this interview made me feel he should run for politics. Or at least have what he said posted everywhere in big, bright lights. I felt like he was carrying most of "middle America's" words right through his mouth. What he said about how the media (e.g. CNBC) should act as illuminators for people, and help keep financial institutions in check--and then pointed out all these, really, underhanded things that Jim Cramer did was wonderful. It reminded me of what I learned in my Journalism and Communications courses. That the media has a duty to keep the government and institutions--as well as itself--in check; and that its job is to disseminate knowledge and truth to the masses. I also loved what he said about Mad Money, with the money being thrown around, sound effects, and antics--and how the media needs to get away from this glitzy, flashy stuff. It reminded me of... something biblical. Like Moses with the Golden Calf. Jon Stewart is a great entertainer, and even though his show is a comedy news show, he completely put aside the jokes and had one of the most meaningful and compelling discussions I have seen on TV in a long time.
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Post by regina on Mar 21, 2009 0:45:52 GMT -7
I watched this interview, and let me first say that I'm not a fan of J. Cramer, but I don't think its in Jon Stewart's jurisdiction to call him a fraud. I can't take it seriously enough. I liked it when Jon was a funny guy. Now I can't stand to watch him because his hard-hitting bull shit got "mandated" along with the democratic party-based election sweep and I can't bring myself to believe that they truly have the answer (they just have a majority).
I don't think the media should baby sit us any more than the government. If you trust a guy like Jim Cramer with your money then you deserve to get fucked--american dream be damned if you put money behind a guy who tosses rubber chickens around the room while talking about your retirement fund. It wasn't JC that fucked our economy either. Neither was it the multi-mil bonus guys. We did it to ourselves because everyone believes there's something for nothing and there simply is not. The media we have now is a reflection of our cultural inability to deal with reality. Then something like the economy gets blown up. THERE IS NO GROWTH WITHOUT DECAY.
Who to trust is something you gotta learn the hard way. Or your government can legislate against it and fuck posterity with their recoveries. The choice is yours.
OWN UP.
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Post by secondhand on Mar 21, 2009 7:42:47 GMT -7
I personally believe that I am not at fault for the economy and until the media tells me who to blame for this, I will not rest.
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Post by regina on Mar 21, 2009 17:26:46 GMT -7
I suppose I take myself a bit too seriously at 1:46 in the morning. Apologies all around.
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Post by Jonas on Mar 21, 2009 21:32:58 GMT -7
I suppose I take myself a bit too seriously at 1:46 in the morning. Apologies all around. Finally. On a serious note, the economy needs to fail for a while, business need to go out of business and then everything will get better. Just sit tight, you're probably not starving. |
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Post by Morty on Mar 21, 2009 22:40:45 GMT -7
On a serious note, the economy needs to fail for a while, business need to go out of business and then everything will get better. Just sit tight, you're probably not starving. Listen closely folks. You won't hear this kind of wisdom on the television! You think I'm being sarcastic, but I'm not. LET THE "ECONOMY" DIE ALREADY AND STOP TRYING TO REINFLATE THE BUBBLE! ...Keynesian economics my ass. Obama lives in a fantasy land. As for "Cramer vs Stewart"... How is that a versus in any way??? Cramer goes on the daily show and gets reamed for 25 minutes. Why are people framing this as a match? And yeah, it's a pretty sad world when a mock-news program like the Daily Show has to act as a check on regular news media that aren't adhering to the social responsibility theory. I'm moving either to Singapore or Switzerland. Peace |
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Post by Thugged Out Gangsta Pimp on Mar 22, 2009 11:06:00 GMT -7
dude, ty, come with me. i've got three options: england, ireland or new zealand, come on buddy boy you know you want to
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Post by Morty on Mar 22, 2009 11:43:10 GMT -7
I'm not sure if any of those countries are free market enough for me... Ireland perhaps. And New Zealand is so beautiful that it might subdue my libertarian needs. Either way, I'm so sick of our society.
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Post by Thugged Out Gangsta Pimp on Mar 22, 2009 12:41:58 GMT -7
you know you wanna come with me
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striferaven
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Post by striferaven on Mar 22, 2009 12:46:11 GMT -7
I suppose I take myself a bit too seriously at 1:46 in the morning. Apologies all around. Finally. On a serious note, the economy needs to fail for a while, business need to go out of business and then everything will get better. Just sit tight, you're probably not starving. "It's only after you've lost everything, that you're free to do anything," eh? |
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Post by striferaven on Mar 22, 2009 12:46:14 GMT -7
On a serious note, the economy needs to fail for a while, business need to go out of business and then everything will get better. Just sit tight, you're probably not starving. Listen closely folks. You won't hear this kind of wisdom on the television! You think I'm being sarcastic, but I'm not. LET THE "ECONOMY" DIE ALREADY AND STOP TRYING TO REINFLATE THE BUBBLE! ...Keynesian economics my ass. Obama lives in a fantasy land. As for "Cramer vs Stewart"... How is that a versus in any way??? Cramer goes on the daily show and gets reamed for 25 minutes. Why are people framing this as a match? And yeah, it's a pretty sad world when a mock-news program like the Daily Show has to act as a check on regular news media that aren't adhering to the social responsibility theory. I'm moving either to Singapore or Switzerland. Peace I actually thought about that "how is it a versus in any way?" as I typed the title, but I didn't know how else to phrase it. But think about it, technically it WAS a bout. It just so happened that Cramer didn't seem to make very good rebuttals. He does make the rebuttals though. It's still a debate--of sorts. And yes, I think it's also pretty sad that a mock-news program has to act as the check for regular news media. |
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striferaven
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Post by striferaven on Mar 22, 2009 13:01:16 GMT -7
I watched this interview, and let me first say that I'm not a fan of J. Cramer, but I don't think its in Jon Stewart's jurisdiction to call him a fraud. I can't take it seriously enough. I liked it when Jon was a funny guy. Now I can't stand to watch him because his hard-hitting bull shit got "mandated" along with the democratic party-based election sweep and I can't bring myself to believe that they truly have the answer (they just have a majority). I don't think the media should baby sit us any more than the government. If you trust a guy like Jim Cramer with your money then you deserve to get fucked--american dream be damned if you put money behind a guy who tosses rubber chickens around the room while talking about your retirement fund. It wasn't JC that fucked our economy either. Neither was it the multi-mil bonus guys. We did it to ourselves because everyone believes there's something for nothing and there simply is not. The media we have now is a reflection of our cultural inability to deal with reality. Then something like the economy gets blown up. THERE IS NO GROWTH WITHOUT DECAY. Who to trust is something you gotta learn the hard way. Or your government can legislate against it and fuck posterity with their recoveries. The choice is yours. OWN UP. It isn't the media's job to babysit us, true. But it is their job to inform us. To be truthful, to disseminate knowledge--it's the entire foundation that media, especially news media, was founded on. And they aren't doing that very well from what I've seen. If you're going to pass yourself off as a news or financial or whatever program, you do have a responsibility to speak the facts about the state of your subject, and to dig deep into it and bring it to the masses. And while you're right that we, as a society, as people, have failed ourselves, individually we can only do so much to bring us back. Even as a movement we can only do so much to bring us back. But with mass-media there is so much more that can be done. It's a platform, a recruitment center, and a battle-zone. Media is a reflection of our society right now, absolutely. But it doesn't have to be. It could be an aspiration of what we could be, or an "iron rod" to keep us grounded. It's another part of the "second system of checks and balances." -->People<---->Media<---->Government<-- |
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Post by striferaven on Mar 22, 2009 13:04:35 GMT -7
I personally believe that I am not at fault for the economy and until the media tells me who to blame for this, I will not rest. In my opinion, if you have a credit card, you have some fault. I feel that a lot of what has happened is because of American's love of credit, or as Regina said: "We did it to ourselves because everyone believes there's something for nothing and there simply is not." We forget that eventually we have to pay for being such absent-minded consumers and eating poison off of silver spoons. I definitely have some fault. |
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Post by striferaven on Mar 22, 2009 13:07:43 GMT -7
I'm not sure if any of those countries are free market enough for me... Ireland perhaps. And New Zealand is so beautiful that it might subdue my libertarian needs. Either way, I'm so sick of our society. Ireland all the way! |
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Post by ~~sLuGsTaRr~~ on Mar 22, 2009 15:38:28 GMT -7
Jon Stewart is amazing at what he does.
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