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Post by regina on Jul 1, 2009 20:45:25 GMT -7
I kind of realized tonight that women can say the same things that men would, but women are taken far more seriously (until you get to know them well, thanks F. Thomas and Sparrow)... even though they try to make their jokes more obvious... which a lot of times mean that the jokes fail because they are TOO obvious... or that they fail because they are not obvious enough (!). So, I want to know, how do y'all (as a mostly masculine audience) respond to funny women (of which I believe I am one (even if you don't necessarily agree))? Would you all laugh at my comments more if I put an * by the things I was joking about (which would be 9 times out of ten) (or would that piss you off)?
p.s. I love using inappropriate subjunctive clauses (the stuff in the parentheses)!
post post script, I'm having F. Thomas read this so that I will be able to tell if y'all will find it funny or if it will just set you off. I hope he's got a better feel for this site than me! (He said go for it, if that's what I really want to say, but I can't tell if he was joking or not).
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Post by The Pompadour on Jul 1, 2009 21:07:18 GMT -7
Sorry, crazy night shouldn't have been posting..
In short, I find a sense of humor to be a valuable thing in a woman.
Sometimes I do have difficulties picking up on rather they are joking or not.
all the parentheses confused the hell out of me.
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Post by regina on Jul 1, 2009 21:41:47 GMT -7
Wow, thanks Chase. That was pretty unintelligible. Have I been drinking, or is it you?
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Post by Jonas on Jul 3, 2009 22:45:08 GMT -7
You're just not that funny in print? Maybe physical comedy is your bag. Show us a picture of you bunching F.T.J. in the balls.
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Post by Morty on Jul 4, 2009 9:06:16 GMT -7
Regina, I'm sick of these threads. I'll come out and say it: by todays standards I am absolutely a sexist.
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Post by Silicone a Samaroony on Jul 4, 2009 11:48:01 GMT -7
One of the biggest reasons I am attracted to my girlfriend is her sense of humor.
When I say something she always knows how to spin it right back at me. The verbal banter is what keeps everything exciting in the relationship. It makes it stay "how it was in the beginning".
I think you're pretty funny, specifically when you use strong imagery. Don't use asterisks. It ruins it. Almost as bad as "Just messen".
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Post by regina on Jul 4, 2009 12:30:37 GMT -7
Go to he'll morty.*
*joke
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Post by regina on Jul 4, 2009 12:31:25 GMT -7
seriously though.
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Post by Morty on Jul 4, 2009 15:57:52 GMT -7
Oh shit.
Here's how it goes for me... I'm actually really attracted to girls who are independent. Girls who can think for themselves. Who have their own thoughts and opinions on philosophy, politics, art, and religion. I want to be able to have intriguing conversation waith a woman. Of course sense of humor is a bonus.
But I also like a girl who will choose to depend on me for certain things, just as I'd depend on her. She'll be raising my children, and will be a stay at home mom. In our male-driven society, the role of motherhood has been down played and male roles of leadership, career, and power have been glorified. Women now want to obtain those same roles, and I think some women can do well in these roles. Better than some men. But as a general rule, I think women do better nuturing, and home making. People want to act like women are the same as men, they're not! Men grow bigger. (I'm an exception, but again, I'm speaking in generalities) Men do better in a lot of careers naturally. Leadership positions, etc.
To say that women do as well as men in leadership roles, or as the protector/provider of a home, is false and is denying natural gender traits. I truly believe men and women are equal. One isn't better than the other, they both have their different roles. It's just that again, our male-driven society chooses to glorify male roles, so females who choose to do their natural thang are looked down upon.
Having said all that, our world is pretty backwards in a lot of ways, so of course I'm a male chauvinist / sexist.
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Post by Morty on Jul 4, 2009 16:01:32 GMT -7
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Post by regina on Jul 4, 2009 16:56:12 GMT -7
I don't disagree with most of your points, but I think that as a country we gotta pretty sweet set up where you can choose your own fate. When the day comes, if we can afford it (not a difficult task), I'll be a stay at homer cause I believe I can raise my kids better than a baby sitter can, but the great part is that I get to choose that, and my role is not prescribed by someone who's "leadership" skills often outstrip his ability to consider the emotional well-being of those around him.
Like I said, I really do agree with most of your stuff, but I am completely bugged by the idea that it's your way or the highway, and that everyone else is so backward while you obviously have it right. You would hold all women to a single ideal standard, negating the fact that women, in addition to being nurturing, have many other skills that need to be put to use to create a sense of fulfillment, and those are different depending on the individual.
And the "woke up to reality" line? Really?
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Post by secondhand on Jul 4, 2009 17:31:49 GMT -7
Yeah I didn't read all of this thread, but I think that GENERALLY a man should provide (because generally they aren't soft and gentle) and a woman should nurture because GENERALLY females are nicer, caring etc. However, these aren't always the solution as they are stereotypes. Though I have ideals on how to raise a family, I will not force them on another either. I will find someone who holds those same ideals, and probably marry her. Then we will make and raise babies how we wish. Then become progressively more scared of the world, together.
the end.
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Post by regina on Jul 4, 2009 18:20:40 GMT -7
Regina, I'm sick of these threads. Do you see anything wrong with this? What are "these threads"? What threads do you prefer? A list of links? A bunch of people talking about getting together and never actually following through? A bitch session on the Utah Jazz (one of my personal favorites)? I didn't post this as an attack or an address of sexism. I just noticed something I thought was interesting, and I wanted to point out the fact that y'all, specifically you morty, take me way too seriously (and I think you take yourself too seriously too). Laugh if it makes you laugh and if it doesn't don't give me this kind of bull shit response because we all post dumb shit on here and I am trying to have a good time. Why do I keep having to say this? |
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Post by Morty on Jul 4, 2009 21:25:28 GMT -7
I don't disagree with most of your points, but I think that as a country we gotta pretty sweet set up where you can choose your own fate. When the day comes, if we can afford it (not a difficult task), I'll be a stay at homer cause I believe I can raise my kids better than a baby sitter can, but the great part is that I get to choose that, and my role is not prescribed by someone who's "leadership" skills often outstrip his ability to consider the emotional well-being of those around him. Like I said, I really do agree with most of your stuff, but I am completely bugged by the idea that it's your way or the highway, and that everyone else is so backward while you obviously have it right. You would hold all women to a single ideal standard, negating the fact that women, in addition to being nurturing, have many other skills that need to be put to use to create a sense of fulfillment, and those are different depending on the individual. And the "woke up to reality" line? Really? The last line was referring to her waking up to the reality of how absurd the feminist movement is. Women can do more today than they used to be able to. This is a good thing. Women are still unfairly paid less than men. But the extremes that many feminists take their agenda to are... degrading not only to men and society, but to themselves. What part of my attitude bugs you? I'm not saying it's entirely wrong for women to pursue careers. But I do think that society as a whole is damaged whenever it demands that its citizens have parents removed from the home. Mothers and fathers. I read a really cool book called Iron John by Robert Bly (he's pretty liberal by the way) where he talks about the adverse effects that the industrial revolution has had on our society simply due to the fact that it's removed fathers from the home/farm, and what that's done to family structure. How it effects the raising of children... Here, I'll copy and paste the amazon review: Today's sensitized male may be in touch with his "feminine" side, but, writes poet Bly, this "soft male" possesses little vitality and is hobbled by grief and anguish. To achieve real masculinity, Bly argues, men must cultivate a fierce tenderness to be found neither in the macho/John Wayne model nor in the "interior feminine." Taking as his starting point the Grimm fairy tale "Iron John," the author sets forth an eight-stage initiatory path whose steps include remembering one's psychic wounds, communion with a mentor or "inner King," becoming a lover, reviving one's inner warriors and receiving a "second heart." Bly avoids cant as he ransacks Jung, Freud and Reich; referents include Greek, Egyptian and Celtic myths, the Parsifal legend, Blake and Amerindian ritual. A wise and healing book full of fresh insights, Bly's odyssey will help men grapple with identity, fatherhood, relationships and such crises as addiction and divorce." The review also illustrates the point I wanted to make in regard to your comment about men being insensitive to peoples emotions. I think true men are emotional and are conscious of the emotions of others.. At least a lot more than our society gives them credit with the macho identity. There's a lot in my head that I probably haven't gotten out, but just a few more points... It's not exclusively women. Men need to be at home. Society has taken them out. Now society is taking women out, and it's a bigger deal than people think. And the last point... your last paragraph sums up exactly how most women feel, and who am I to argue that? But what you said also... says something else. Fulfillment. Do you think women have needed to pursue careers and leadership and independence to feel fulfilled? I would argue that they haven't, but once again, our society... marketing in the media, role models in movies, have slowly shaped into something unnatural. Women strive for this standard because they think have to prove themselves something. Once again, in a male-dominant society, women think they need to perform male tasks in order to "feel fulfilled," (as you put it) because it's all our society glorifies. When was the last time your saw motherhood and nurturing praised in the media? Doesn't happen that much. It's late, not sure if much of that made sense. |
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Post by Morty on Jul 4, 2009 21:27:52 GMT -7
Yeah I didn't read all of this thread, but I think that GENERALLY a man should provide (because generally they aren't soft and gentle) and a woman should nurture because GENERALLY females are nicer, caring etc. However, these aren't always the solution as they are stereotypes. Though I have ideals on how to raise a family, I will not force them on another either. I will find someone who holds those same ideals, and probably marry her. Then we will make and raise babies how we wish. Then become progressively more scared of the world, together. the end. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! That really was beautifully put, and to be totally honest, that's exactly how I feel. You put how I feel in much less words, Chris. With exception of that last sentence of course.  I know what I want, and I'll find someone who shares those values. Anyone who knows me knows that as a libertarian I'm VERY against compulsory means of making people behave one way or another. All of my debate and lament were just my observations of society, and what I foresee happening... Of course in the end everyone ought to be able to make whatever choices they see fit. |
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