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Post by Jonas on Mar 12, 2009 19:52:52 GMT -7
 Best ad yet. |
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Post by mellowmarie on Mar 12, 2009 20:33:53 GMT -7
Now thats what I call Big Love! haha
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Post by Ghost Of Lemonlight on Mar 12, 2009 22:00:36 GMT -7
The Catholic church still performs excorisms. but it's not mainstream anymore, same thing with polygamy. The mainstream catholic church frowns upon it just as mormonism frowns upon polygamy. |
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Post by fthomasjackson on Mar 12, 2009 23:06:04 GMT -7
Actually, it has never been that common and it is not frowned upon by the church, but it is rarely used.
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Post by Silicone a Samaroony on Mar 13, 2009 9:09:24 GMT -7
Have you guys seen the south park episode about Joseph Smith?
This shows that writers can portray the religion as it is and still be HILARIOUS.
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Post by Jonas on Mar 13, 2009 14:09:07 GMT -7
The Catholic church still performs excorisms. but it's not mainstream anymore, same thing with polygamy. The mainstream catholic church frowns upon it just as Mormonism frowns upon polygamy. Mormonism doesn't frown on polygamy. Just some sects of Mormonism do. Polygamists Mormons are just as valid an extension of Joseph Smith's legacy as the LDS are, maybe more so as J.S. was a polygamist. |
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Post by striferaven on Mar 13, 2009 15:36:10 GMT -7
but it's not mainstream anymore, same thing with polygamy. The mainstream catholic church frowns upon it just as Mormonism frowns upon polygamy. Mormonism doesn't frown on polygamy. Just some sects of Mormonism do. Polygamists Mormons are just as valid an extension of Joseph Smith's legacy as the LDS are, maybe more so as J.S. was a polygamist. The mainstream Mormon sect "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" does frown on it. If you're found to be a polygamist in said sect, it's excommunication--without a doubt. so his argument of "Exorcism is to Catholicism as Polygamy is to Mormonism" is essentially correct, because he's talking about the mainstream sects. And in fact the only branch of the Church that doesn't frown on Polygamy that I am aware of is the one practicing. And just as a nifty fact: the group that believed Joseph Smith's son (including Emma Smith and most of Joseph Smith's family) was the next true prophet in line, and not Brigham Young--splintered off from the mainstream church and were against Polygamy even before the mainstream sect abolished the practice. |
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Post by regina on Mar 13, 2009 15:51:25 GMT -7
Um, just a point on accuracy here, this is a flawed comparison because a. the Catholics don't have sects because they refuse to acknowledge any practicing religion outside their own*, and b. Catholics still include exorcism as part of their religious doctrine, and perform them at roughly the same rate as ever--it's not like it was ever super popular. Just something that caught the media's eye. So anyway, the comparison is essentially flawed. *www.newadvent.org/cathen/13674a.htm: To the Catholic the distinction of Church and sect presents no difficulty. For him, any Christian denomination which has set itself up independently of his own Church is a sect. According to Catholic teaching any Christians who, banded together refuse to accept the entire doctrine or to acknowledge the supreme authority of the Catholic Church, constitute merely a religious party under human unauthorized leadership. The Catholic Church alone is that universal society instituted by Jesus Christ which has a rightful claim to the allegiance of all men, although in fact, this allegiance is withheld by many because of ignorance and the abuse of free-will. She is the sole custodian of the complete teaching of Jesus Christ which must be accepted in its entirety by all mankind. Her members do not constitute a sect nor will they consent to be known as such, because they do not belong to a party called into existence by a human leader, or to a school of thought sworn to the dictates of a mortal master. |
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Post by jonzey on Mar 13, 2009 15:52:35 GMT -7
I was seconds away from posting that same thing (well, not the same link, but a similar one). Damn you, regina!
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Post by striferaven on Mar 13, 2009 15:56:11 GMT -7
Um, just a point on accuracy here, this is a flawed comparison because a. the Catholics don't have sects because they refuse to acknowledge any practicing religion outside their own*, and b. Catholics still include exorcism as part of their religious doctrine, and perform them at roughly the same rate as ever--it's not like it was ever super popular. Just something that caught the media's eye. So anyway, the comparison is essentially flawed. *www.newadvent.org/cathen/13674a.htm: To the Catholic the distinction of Church and sect presents no difficulty. For him, any Christian denomination which has set itself up independently of his own Church is a sect. According to Catholic teaching any Christians who, banded together refuse to accept the entire doctrine or to acknowledge the supreme authority of the Catholic Church, constitute merely a religious party under human unauthorized leadership. The Catholic Church alone is that universal society instituted by Jesus Christ which has a rightful claim to the allegiance of all men, although in fact, this allegiance is withheld by many because of ignorance and the abuse of free-will. She is the sole custodian of the complete teaching of Jesus Christ which must be accepted in its entirety by all mankind. Her members do not constitute a sect nor will they consent to be known as such, because they do not belong to a party called into existence by a human leader, or to a school of thought sworn to the dictates of a mortal master.Fair enough! |
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Post by regina on Mar 13, 2009 15:56:18 GMT -7
Mwahaha!
also, the Catholic church is weird.
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Post by Jonas on Mar 13, 2009 16:16:27 GMT -7
Mormonism doesn't frown on polygamy. Just some sects of Mormonism do. Polygamists Mormons are just as valid an extension of Joseph Smith's legacy as the LDS are, maybe more so as J.S. was a polygamist. The mainstream Mormon sect "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" does frown on it. If you're found to be a polygamist in said sect, it's excommunication--without a doubt. so his argument of "Exorcism is to Catholicism as Polygamy is to Mormonism" is essentially correct, because he's talking about the mainstream sects. And in fact the only branch of the Church that doesn't frown on Polygamy that I am aware of is the one practicing. And just as a nifty fact: the group that believed Joseph Smith's son (including Emma Smith and most of Joseph Smith's family) was the next true prophet in line, and not Brigham Young--splintered off from the mainstream church and were against Polygamy even before the mainstream sect abolished the practice. I realize this. The Reorganized LDS (later Community of Christ) has been struggling with the contemporary understanding that Joseph Smith was a polygamist though their teachings had taught for years that Brigham Young and the rest were heathens for introducing it. The only living descendant of Joseph Smith that has church leadership though is the Remnant LDS church, also confounding the members who had a belief in lineal succession. My point is there are some 400 Mormon sects with at least a handful of members, some like the Community of Christ and the Fundamentalist LDS sects are quite large. Mormonism is a large and changing belief with many different expressions. My point is that excluding a branch of it because it isn't the largest or most well known to you, is simply wrong. |
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Post by fthomasjackson on Mar 13, 2009 18:23:51 GMT -7
In my opinion the most interesting Mormon sect to come out of the succession crisis is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite) and they claim to be the real LDS church. There is a letter addressed to James P Strang from Joseph Smith appointing Strang as the new head of the LDS church. The LDS Church (Brighamite) does not accept this letter as authentic but scholars have verified its authenticity and it is on display at Yale. After Smith's assassination more members followed Strang to Beaver Island in Michigan than followed Young to the Salt Lake Valley. Strang claims to have found and translated ancient plates (Voree Plates) in a similar manner as Joseph Smith claimed to have translated the Book of Mormon. The book is called "The Book of The Law of the Lord" and is held in the same regard as the Book of Mormon. Strang was murdered in 1856 and the Voree Saints were driven from Michigan. The church barely survived and today there are very few members left. I do not personally believe in Mormon doctrine but in my opinion Strang's claim to be Smith's successor seems valid especially considering that Brigham Young did not become the Prophet until three years after Smith's death. They have a good website www.strangite.org and you can read the entire text of the Book of the Law of the lord if anyone is interested in checking it out. |
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Post by mellowmarie on Mar 13, 2009 21:17:15 GMT -7
K Sam I have seen the south park about joseph smith it is funny.
To start can i just say this is a personal thing for me so don't be to offended anyone. and I say sorry now..... but all religion is fucked up. rather there is a god or not religion is ran by humans and we are full of mistakes bad and good so thus all religion is flawed.
i honestly could not say rather mormons or catholics are worse or better, in there dark corner of the closet where they hide the past. both have flaws. I was raised mormon and my my ex of many years was stern Catholic so i know a little about both.
One thing i have wrong with the mormon church (and again i mean this personal just for me) is that they tell you jesus was perfect and then say you have to be like jesus, thus telling you you have to be perfect. thus the reason for so many people not everyone but a lot of people i know going to the opposite extreme and or living there life as pill poppers to hide the pain. we are only human and i would like to think that for what ever reason we are here we are meant to make mistakes, lots of them and learn from them.
again please do not not take this as a stab to any LDS people. really i respect the church a lot but it dose have flaws as dose everything in life.
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Post by jonzey on Mar 13, 2009 22:52:08 GMT -7
The Mormon church doesn't expect anyone to lead a perfect life. If they thought all of the followers would be perfect they wouldn't have to teach about faith, repentance, baptism, sacrament, temples, etc... I can see where there would be some confusion, but the church teaches it's members to STRIVE to be like Jesus. It's been my experience that only the people that really don't see the point of living this way (and these people usually were "raised in the church" and make this decision when they are teenagers and obviously have a vast eternal perspective) go to the polar opposite. I'm not judging these people nor was I exempt from that myself, I'm just saying that MOST (not all) people who are uninterested in religion made that decision before they really learn anything about religion or gave religion a real chance.
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