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Post by Shockey on Apr 6, 2009 23:17:51 GMT -7
I think that for the most part, this country is past racism. But people want to cling to it because they extract power and money from it. Not just the minorities, but people who pretend to want to help the minorities. Are you saying that minorities have played a role in continuing racism? All I can say to that is BET Could you imagine if someone started a channel called WET? (White Entertainment Network) I'm not racist, I have friends from all over the world. But I do think minorities play a role... Segregation goes both ways. |
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Post by Morty on Apr 6, 2009 23:30:53 GMT -7
I'm not going to change your mind and you won't change mine I love you Chase, but that's an immature thing to say. With reason and logic, show me where I'm wrong and I'll change my mind. I did it with the negro thing. If you're unwilling to change your mind on something just because you've already made up your mind about it, or because society tells you it's what is correct, then I feel sorry for ya. You're missing out on a lot of good in life. |
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Post by The Pompadour on Apr 6, 2009 23:31:13 GMT -7
The thing with Normons is... They're taught not to persecute. They're taught to love everyone as Christ did. This is what bugs me soo badly! SOME I repeat SOME LDS members don't follow this teaching and correct me if I'm Wrong Ty or anyone who is more educated in the gospel than I am(I'm a bit rusty but believe it or not I was ordained) and yet they cannot handle anyone or anything that is the slightest bit different than what they're used to, how they've planned they're life and how they're little community and world should be I think this is mainly in Utah. Instead of loving and accepting everyone they take of a few of their teachings and hate and shun the Caffiene Drinkers and the folks with body modifactions and the un-wed fornicators and such. I say some because not all LDS people are like that and actually I've met some that have restored some of my faith back into organized religion here in Wyoming. They've grown up in a different enviroment and are a true monority therefore they haven't development such an elitest attitude at least none that I have noticed. My mom's bishop and his family are amazing people they'd help anyone with anything doesn't matter who you are. I even went snowmobiling with his sons and himself one day they offered a prayer before we left and nothing more about faith was said that day. Most encounters I've had with people with strong faith or those of priesthood have been sessions of them aggressively trying to convert me. If I had to pick the approach of what would work to convert me i would say the laid back family who lives right and shows by example would win me over faster than forced scripture readings and folks pulling me out of bed and dragging me to their church. I'm not sure what I'm saying anymore. hahah Basically I can't wait until everyone can live and let live. |
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Post by The Pompadour on Apr 6, 2009 23:40:47 GMT -7
I'm not going to change your mind and you won't change mine I love you Chase, but that's an immature thing to say. With reason and logic, show me where I'm wrong and I'll change my mind. I did it with the negro thing. If you're unwilling to change your mind on something just because you've already made up your mind about it, or because society tells you it's what is correct, then I feel sorry for ya. You're missing out on a lot of good in life. touche! Point taken by the concept in question. I suppose the more accurate phrase would have been its going to take alot to change my mind. I will admit it i'm damn stubborn but with enough proof I will admit I was wrong and I will learn from the experience. |
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Post by Morty on Apr 6, 2009 23:43:18 GMT -7
The thing with Normons is... They're taught not to persecute. They're taught to love everyone as Christ did. This is what bugs me soo badly! SOME I repeat SOME LDS members don't follow this teaching and correct me if I'm Wrong Ty or anyone who is more educated in the gospel than I am(I'm a bit rusty but believe it or not I was ordained) and yet they cannot handle anyone or anything that is the slightest bit different than what they're used to, how they've planned they're life and how they're little community and world should be I think this is mainly in Utah. Instead of loving and accepting everyone they take of a few of their teachings and hate and shun the Caffiene Drinkers and the folks with body modifactions and the un-wed fornicators and such. I say some because not all LDS people are like that and actually I've met some that have restored some of my faith back into organized religion here in Wyoming. They've grown up in a different enviroment and are a true monority therefore they haven't development such an elitest attitude at least none that I have noticed. My mom's bishop and his family are amazing people they'd help anyone with anything doesn't matter who you are. I even went snowmobiling with his sons and himself one day they offered a prayer before we left and nothing more about faith was said that day. Most encounters I've had with people with strong faith or those of priesthood have been sessions of them aggressively trying to convert me. If I had to pick the approach of what would work to convert me i would say the laid back family who lives right and shows by example would win me over faster than forced scripture readings and folks pulling me out of bed and dragging me to their church. I'm not sure what I'm saying anymore. hahah Basically I can't wait until everyone can live and let live. I don't think you're wrong their Chase. A lot of LDS people can't see outside of the way they live. Some of them un-rightfully judge others. However, some can see outside the way they live, but still feel uncomfortable or awkward in situations where others aren't sharing their standards. The difference a lot of the time is perception. Non-members see members standing with their arms folded, not saying anything, and and giving strange glances, and they think "Wow. That person is LDS and they're hating me. Judging me. Shunning me." Whereas a lot of the time, the person isn't doing anything of the sort. They just feel uncomfortable in the situation. I'll admit, growing up I was taught to never smoke or drink. Seeing people do that, I thought they were bad people. I can now see past that, but it wasn't always that way. The church doesn't tell people to think this about people, it's just what happens when you're told not to and then see other people doing so. As for the live and let live thing... I'm pretty sure I agree. Living to LDS's is spreading what they believe to be true. So if you're ok with us doing that, then sure, live and let live. We're not going to force (or shouldn't anyway, since it's church doctrine that to force is Satans plan) anyone to believe our way, but we'll try and show them the light. Live and let live seems good to me. I definitely wish the government would die and let live, but that's a different issue.  |
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Post by The Pompadour on Apr 6, 2009 23:52:32 GMT -7
I would agree judgement goes both ways when it comes to LDS people and non-members. I'm sure I've been guilty of it myself a time or two I think people gather their views from one experience with a certain type of people and its hard to change an opinion after the initial mind set. I think all organized religion has been skewed from the original ideals I think government has done the same thing you get that many people together for one thing there's going to be a discrepantcy in the details somewhere. Everyone just needs to stop and take a look back at the original goals of everything. We all get off track and rarely take the time to get back on. Its a shame.
man i need to stop rambling philosophy. sorry if it doesn't make sense guys its late.
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Post by Morty on Apr 7, 2009 0:04:08 GMT -7
religion has been skewed from the original ideals I think government has done the same. The way I see it, the problem with our government is that it's actually going back to governments original ideals.. The ones we freed our selves from during the revolutionary war. |
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Post by The Pompadour on Apr 7, 2009 0:08:28 GMT -7
Thats not what this nation set out to be. That would be Reverting too far back thats what i'm saying we're not following the blue prints of the nations founders. I get what you're saying though Ty.
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Post by Silicone a Samaroony on Apr 7, 2009 8:36:31 GMT -7
What da helll.
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Post by Jonas on Apr 7, 2009 9:10:10 GMT -7
I was going to make a post about Mortys GIANT paragraphs, but now it just doesn't seem timely. Assholes.
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Post by RudeJack on Apr 8, 2009 0:38:24 GMT -7
I agree with you Morty on the fact that all should be treated EQUAL no special treatment because of ones race or origin or anything. I also think that if you look at the generations of said minorities and the fact they are becoming lazy that maybe true. One could argue the same has happened Caucasians and those of us of European decent I can tell you for damn sure I don't work as hard as even my Grandfather did and he probably didn't work as hard as his grandfather did. This country is acustomed to easy living and instant gratifaction. If not trying to kick up the arguement again we've both said we're done with it I just thought I'd point that out. We both have ideas some are the same some are different I'm not going to change your mind and you won't change mine so we have agreed to disagree. If we all should be treated "equal," then would you reject a progressive tax? |
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Post by brandon dubya on Apr 8, 2009 8:51:53 GMT -7
Are you saying that minorities have played a role in continuing racism? All I can say to that is BET Could you imagine if someone started a channel called WET? (White Entertainment Network) I'm not racist, I have friends from all over the world. But I do think minorities play a role... Segregation goes both ways. although i would agree that bet is pointing out race i would hardly say that they are promoting racism. Simply acknowledging race isn't promoting racism. We already have a WET its called fox. |
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Post by jonzey on Apr 8, 2009 8:57:41 GMT -7
While we're on the subject I would like to get someone's opinion on this: Why is it that when a white person makes a joke about black people everyone within listening distance gets really uncomfortable and the joke-teller is considered a racist while a black person telling jokes about white people is considered the funniest comedian in the world and sells out huge stadiums? I think that's one heck of a double standard.
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Post by Silicone a Samaroony on Apr 8, 2009 10:16:51 GMT -7
I guess it depends on your audience. I love ALL good prejudice jokes.
For me it's like southpark. When you make a prejudiced joke, you're really making fun of the people who actually think that way and not the person you seem to be making fun of.
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Post by RudeJack on Apr 10, 2009 16:26:57 GMT -7
Who loved Gran Torino?
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